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Philip M.'s avatar

Lots to think about here... I am reminded of the line from Dune: "Most believe that a satisfactory future requires a return to an idealized past, a past which never in fact existed."

Judith Stove's avatar

Well put, Andrew. Of course, in the 1970s, the 'modernity' problem which was going to end everything was television. Before that, radio. In the 19th century, it was the railways, and women working. In the 18th century, it was women reading novels. So yeah, does Kingsnorth want to go back pre-Industrial Revolution? or, like Alasdair MacIntyre, back to ancient monasticism (thus avoiding the whole women, as well as the whole tech, thing)? He's gone into Eastern Orthodoxy, so maybe the cloister is next. That's not, though, to put it mildly, for everyone.

Also, there's a vast history investigating the nature/human/tech nexus, which is very old and complex: to take just one example, one of the oldest 'tech's (technai in the Socratic tradition) is medicine, which deploys the resources of nature (e.g. plant-based drugs) in order to help heal humans. Nobody would think of abandoning that kind of tech. Has Kingsnorth gone into this work in depth? He may have - I haven't read the book, just some of his blog posts.

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